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I'm sure any Nintendo fan who reads this may get mad, but if you have not made any of the statements shown here, I'm not talking about you, so asking me why I'm talking about Nintendo fanboys or flaming me over it would be a waste of time. This articl is about listing the complaints they make and making responses.
Now with that out of the way, let's look at some of the arguments they make, and my answers to them, shall we. :)


-Sonic games shouldn't be dark or take themselves to seriously
How's that Paper Mario? And the ending of Zelda Wind Waker?

-Sonic is for kids
Sonic Colors was for kids, and before then, every Sonic game was rated E for everyone, not specifically kids.
(Side Note: You can bet this guy would flip if someone told him Nintendo games are kiddy, and/or refute this argument by picking out the darkest or most serious parts of Nintendo games, while still complaining about Sonic)
(Side note2: One would have to ask themselves why would someone feel so strongly about a game being aimed for kids)

-Sonic should have simple storylines
Mario Galaxy(actually very popular among nintendo fans)

-Sonic has too many characters
Mario had more characters since his second game then Sonic did in his 3rd.

-Sonic should be cartoony like the classics
Earthworm Jim was a lot more cartoony

-Sonic should be like Mario
You mean the guy he was suppose to compete with, and the same guy who got copied by other franchise, resulted in them not selling?(See Lost World)

-Sonic shouldn't fight giant monsters of the week
Hasn't Kirby do the same thing?

-Sonic should be how he was in the classics
You mean being cool and appealing
-This isn't the 90's anymore, what was cool then isn't cool now.
And you Sonic to be like the classics, for what reason again?
(Side note: Nintendo fans have a habit of bashing M rated games for being too dark, serious, and other mature content, things we consider cool in games today if done right, and a good many titles are flat out ignored that aren't heavy on mature content. With Sonic being a character made in the image of what cool is, or was in the 90's, and having some of these contents in 3D games, you can easily see why people complained about these games.)
(Side note2: Nintendo fans seem to be the main group of gamers who both have a nasty hatred of mature content, ignoring other title that aren't heavy on it, but also hold light hearted, cartoony, all around considered kiddy content by many, in a very high regard)

For more incentive, just check out how this all started and notice the negative reception past 3D games got for being cool:


"When SEGA released this promotional image for Shadow the Hedgehog(him with his pistol), the fanbase finally crumbled. Sonic had done something that would forever doom him in the eyes of the fandom: he jumped the shark.

Sonic was now “trying too hard to be cool”. From this point onward, the fandom seemed to apply a zero tolerance rule. Everything the Sonic series did would be put under a microscope and scrutinized to see if it’s “trying too hard to be cool”. However, we’re talking about Sonic here, the embodiment of “cool” and a “Poochie” from day one. Everything he has ever done could easily be labeled as “trying too hard to be cool”.

Suddenly, things we were fine with only a few years ago were “going too far”. The storyline which set Sonic Adventure apart from all other platformers and gave it a unique cinematic flair? Now it’s too much and is “getting in the way”. The side characters who helped provide a colorful and varied cast and fleshed out Sonic’s world? Now they’re stealing the spotlight and “ruining” the game. The unique real world-based setting? Now it’s terrible because it’s not what we grew up with. Even Sonic’s exceptional redesign was considered going “too far”.

It seemed to seep backwards as well. Things Sonic had been doing since the Genesis era were too “extreme” as well. When Sonic Riders was released, many reviewers spent an entire page complaining about Sonic being on a hoverboard when Sonic has been boarding since Sonic 3!"
Source: gamebabble.wordpress.com/2010/…

Pretty much what I've seen from a lot of people who call themselves Sonic fans: www.urbandictionary.com/define…

What makes it all even worse is that Sega made Sonic Lost World for these people, the very same ones who bitched over many of the 3D Sonic games till Colors, and look how great it's selling: www.tssznews.com/2013/11/28/lo…

Sufice to say, many of the most vocal Sonic fans have been Nintendo fanboys, it all easily links to them, seeing as I said before, having a hatred for anything cool or ignoring it, as I've notice their won titles that could be cool or at least balanced, like Starfox and F-Zero GX, 2 games that even Nintendo themselves ignore.

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NikGutendorf Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2017  Student General Artist
Personally, I am bigger Mario fan than Sonic, but I think Sonic must be more than just Mario clone. I don't deny the existance of cool and edgy Mario games, like Paper Mario series and Mario & Luigi, but Sega of Japan must make environment of Sonic games more balanced (overally engaging storyline with some comedic moments). If Square Enix and Capcom can into balanced storylines, why can't Sonic Team.
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2017
Too busy listening to Nintendo fanboys. Lost World is proof of that as Izuka strait up said it was for "Mario and platforming fans". Yeah, there are more platforming games out there Mario was the one he felt the need to name drop, and even then Sonic was suppose to be less of a platformer, he should know that, because he was the fuckin' designer for Sonic 3 levels.
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NikGutendorf Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2017  Student General Artist
Actually I am a sane Nintendo fan and I perfectly know that Iizuka is responsible for franchise's decay, because he is the head of Sonic Team and he decided to make the franchise more like Mario.  I have bad feelings about Iizuka's marketing decisions, so I only hope for Sonic Forces and Sega vs. Capcom (sort of).
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2017
I didn't say you weren't sane, I didn't even respond to you being a bigger Mario fan because you at least didn't use it as the point of your argument. I'm just laying out the fact that Sonic's biggest critics were Nintendo fanboys or Lost World wouldn't exist. In fact I recall Izuka straight up saying years before this that Sonic was being geared towards Nintendo fans. mynintendonews.com/2010/10/12/…
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asia-catdog-blue Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2017
How did Sonic get Fanboys from the SEGA's Arch-nemesis?
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2017
I've been told it happened when SA2 was ported to the gamecube, and are pretty much the drama that's engulfed this fanbase since Shadow the Hedgehog.
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SonicFan7812 Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2015  Student General Artist
Seriously, Sonic SHOULD be fighting giant monsters of the week. THAT, along with speedy gameplay and a well-built story, would make a modern Sonic game awesome.
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Freak-Ops Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2015  Student Digital Artist
-Sonic should be like Mario
Tha fuck? They want Sonic just jump (no spin jump) and squeeze Badniks, and hit through below of flying computers on the thin air and fight Robotniks who jump and spit firebolts and save someone else?
And when it happen, they will say "Sonic is shit because it's ripping-off Mario!!!"
One of the worst scenario I can imagine, yet still LMAO for myself. :lmao:
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FlameWhirlwind176 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
As a nintendo fan myself; having to hear this crap is cringe worthy to a whole other level....

Just cause sonic is for kids doesn't mean i want a mario clone
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2015
Or be completely devoid of of cool and engaging content.
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FlameWhirlwind176 Featured By Owner Sep 8, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yeah. How'd we go from sonic using helicopter plating to snowboard down highways, too prancing through the gumdrop forest?
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Channeleven Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2015
Actually, Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 06 were both rated E10+.

Aside from that, this rant is pretty spot on.
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015
True but it doesn't make much of a difference. Shadow was no darker then SA2, and 06 was no darker then SA1. Shadow is just bashed over the gun and vehicles issue(which weren't an actual issue to the game anyway), and 06 gets bashed mainly for the glitches and elise. Aside from that, wasn't Lost World also rated E10? And all that did was make fanboys try to tell everyone else the game would be dark or whatever, the biggest act of delusion possible.
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Channeleven Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015
Ok
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015
lol
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Channeleven Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015
Kek
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3gnaereticsonicfan Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2015
1)sonic lost world is a great game
2) i'm a sega and playstation fan but i can clearly say FUCK THIS ARTICLE
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SonicFan7812 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2015  Student General Artist
Wow, you are very mature. Lost Mind is just a Mario clone.
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015
bit 2 not meaning jack shit because of your statement in bit 1.
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3gnaereticsonicfan Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015
What do you want fuck out
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SonicFan7812 Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2015  Student General Artist
HOLY- YOU'RE THAT SAME NO-BRAINER WHO LEFT THAT COMMENT ON MY PROFILE!
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015
Did you just say fuck out? Anyway, this is my (Half-assed)article, so I don't know what YOU want, aside from expressing your butthurt that someone didn't like that nasty ass Sonic Lost World.
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3gnaereticsonicfan Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015
That nasty ass sonic lost world is great and people who state the opposite they suck at the game or they guided by stupid prejudices: looks like you are both of it fanboy
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015
Oh lord, you went for the "you suck at it line", now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. It's not just about the gameplay, the content sucks as well, with bad music, bad storytelling, and the game looks like it's trying to be a Mario ripoff. Sorry but the only fanboy here is you, especially since you're advocating a Sonic game made for Nintards, and it's bad sales also show. It was the worse selling Sonic game up until Boom, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the game sucks bro.
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3gnaereticsonicfan Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015
Also your article is stupid because your basically desping everything sonic was ment to be and what is ment to be: platformer with a light and simple story, based only on gameplay, with a cartoonish atmosphere and E rating doesn't mean nothing
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Yes faker, keep showing me you have no idea what you're talking about XD. Sonic was meant to be a cool action games for pre-teens in order to get kids interested, which only happened because Tom Kalinske told Sega of Japan they should make him a full game, he was not meant to be light hearted and simple, simple like you. Also, having an E rating don't mean shit, this is Sonic we're talking about, not a Nintendo IP.
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3gnaereticsonicfan Featured By Owner Apr 1, 2015
Listen to me retard fanboy: you have ears because the music is awesome, the game never try to be mario, the story telling is a point that in a sonic game does not count because is all about gameplay, and the gameplay it self is really good. The fanboy here is you because not only you suck at the game, but only fanboys try to find criticism that are not problems at all: the quality of a game does not depend by how many copies are sold. Another reason that you are the fanboy here is becausr you jump on conclusion but you ended up saying bullshit: the game was develop by the sonic team B the creators of colors nintendo wasn't envole in the project, and like i said before i'm a sega and playstation fan.
hell you say that the game looks di ke a mario rip off so you jump on conclusions withot even play the game: it's fanboys like you that ruin not only the fanbase but the franchise i general.
FUCK OFF KID YOUR OPINION IS WRONG
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"Listen to me retard fanboy: you have ears because the music is awesome, the game never try to be mario, the story telling is a point that in a sonic game does not count because is all about gameplay, and the gameplay it self is really good."
Oh lord, now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. The music is awesome? Yeah, if you're a toddler playing Nintendo games all the time. The story doesn't count? I mean really? Sorry but you can't call anyone else a retard fanboy with an ignorant statement like that.
Oh, and FYI, Izuka himself said he wanted Mario fans to like Lost World, and the game does look like a Mario game, and you're fucking blind or in denial if you say otherwise.

" it's fanboys like you that ruin not only the fanbase but the franchise i general."
Yes, I ruin the franchise by calling out the bad selling and unpopular games for the wrecks they are, but it's the grown ass people like you who go around suggesting Sonic should be kiddy in order to be good. XD

"FUCK OFF KID YOUR OPINION IS WRONG"
Well someone's butthurt. Sorry kid, not everybody wants Sonic games to be made for kids, including kids. Step off loser.
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Hexidextrous Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2015
Remember, Sega Does what Ninten-don't!
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Test4Echo7 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
Sadly, these people won't see the hypocrisy and the irony of what they say, and they seem to be the vocal minority. If more people like you actually spoke up and refuted these fanboys, the games would actually get more respectable again. I personally think that the games went to crap after Black Knight, which while it wasn't an amazing game, it at least had a story with something at stake to create some drama. Colors onwards, you know he's going to beat Eggman, and while that might have been fine in the 90s where storytelling was more limited, with the advent of 3d games, along with more space for data, they could actually write more complex stories with some believability and heart. It's a shame that the 4Kids actors were just starting to get good in their roles, and then they all got replaced (aside from Pollock, thank goodness).

Going back to the stories, is it me, or with the replacement of the VAs they also replaced the writers? Because Sonic himself has massively devolved as a character. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't find his characterization of a complete cocky jerk very appealing or "cool". Sure, he was still arrogant in the games like SA2, Heroes, Unleashed or Black Knight, but he also eventually developed a soft side, something that I found endearing. Also, I find the humor in the newer games to fall rather flat, and I don't get why some many people think that Sonic's line in Colors of "Baldy Mc-Nosehair" so funny.
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015
You're not the only one who feels that way about the games. I've also being trying to encourage people to speak up about the games, but most of them are silent or don't want to offend other people opinions(which is what got us in the mess in the fist place). It seems the main people who will speak up are the ones who do nothing but bash Sonic when he's not a kids comedy or whatever counts as the Japanese cannon, and it's them who usually don't have people speaking out against them, aside from what I said before, it's also the popular opinion. It's amazing how with the archie comics, people are constantly bashing them for reasons that only apply to a few issues, while many others are ignored, and some of those complaints are old to, like the focus on love interest and Sally bitch slap. It's even worse when the comic reboot is like the game's canon now, but thankfully better writing. Matter of fact, good idea, the writers do need to be replaced.... except they were for Boom(but they still somehow wrote for the 3DS game). The problem is that these people see Sonic as some Japanese kids cartoon character rather then the cool rebel kids got into through their older siblings.
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Test4Echo7 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
It's pretty hard not to have better writing that the current games, heck, a lot of fanfiction now has better writing than the games. I give props to Flynn for actually doing an okay job with what he's forced to work with, but I'd still rather the reboot and the loss of so many characters never happened. With Boom, they had different writers than the TV show. I actually would have found it interesting if they got some of the writers from the show, like Dave Polsky, to have written the script for the game, it might have made it a least a bit more funny.
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015
I don't think it's hard either, especially on two accounts where the Japanese seem to have gotten better writing then us(Sonic X and Lost World). even with that, simply look at 3 of Sony's in house franchises: Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, and Jak and Daxter. Not to mention when it comes to cartoons, I've heard good things about Avatar: Legend of Korra, and there's also Beware of Batman, Young Justice, Thunder Kats, Samurai Jack, and Symbyonic Titan, but it's hard to find other modern cartoons for the U.S. with good writing. It's a lot easier to look back in the 90's where people actually gave a shit about cartoons and didn't just seem them as something for kids, and I already made a meme about that, 2 of them in fact:
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Of course, you could easily just look at the archie comics, as Ian Flynn has consistently been doing a a much better job then the games since he started. No matter what problem people have with him, his still treats the series with more respect then Sega does now, and that alone garners more respect out of.
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pkstarstorm1up Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2015
I love Nintendo games but I agree with this so much.  This mindset is bull crap.
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015
I'm not into Nintendo as I used to be, but yeah, this was mean half ass writing an article to take a shot at bullshit.
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Catanobro10 Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You know, sir. You really are going to be the savior of the Sonic franchise. You have so many great ideas and point out so many wonderful points and create these descriptive analysis that are exactly what I needed to hear. Colors, in my opinion, was fun, but I played the DS version, so of course it was 2D. Either way, the things you write about and point out to the people of the internet need to be passed on to Sonic Team. They need to understand these concepts and save Sonic before it's too late.
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comic321 Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I love Sonic games. The fanbase scares the crap out of me though. My first ever game was Sonic Heroes when it first came out. I enjoyed it but everytime I tell someone that:KABOOOM! Rage everywhere! Im just glad not all sonic fans are like that but we are a greedy selfish fanbase. I wish people would just learn to enjoy themselves. Games are supposed to be fun.
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2013

I can understand your sentiments, as many other also can, and it goes both ways as well, as I can give ligitament reason why I don't like Colors, Generations, and Lost World, and people start to flip.

However, after reading all that, don't you feel that it's odd for Nintendo fans to come into the Sonic series and tell us how it should be, and what games are good and aren't good, depending on their reasoning which comes from biased hate towards what got people into this franchise, or kept those who already stayed? How in the world are you a Sonic game yet hate or ignore almost every game from Sonic 3 to Colors?

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comic321 Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
It is strange. I mean, I never played the classic games because I was born in '97 but when Mega Collection came out I bought it played 'em. I thought they were cool. Now I understand why people love the adventure series but graphicwise...not so much. I actually ENJOYED all the games that game from Heroes all the way to Lost World. I never played Sonic '06 because I didn't have the console o
to play it at the time but also because of all the glitches. I bet it wod have been a great game if Sega hadn't rushed it. At least a few good things game out of it: Silver, Mephiles, Iblis, the zones, & the music.

Unleashed was cool but people started complaing about the werehog. I freakin loved the werehog!

Then they complained how Colors was too short.

Then how Generations had no story.

Now Lost World's controls slightly suck! The game was longer & had a decent story! WE GOT TO SEE THINGS WE MAY NEVER SEE AGAIN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD(Tails being roboticized, Sonic & Tails fighting, Eggman saving sonic, stereotypical villains that were actually interesting!)! Theres just no pleasing this fanbase.
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UltranX2010 Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
ooooo you like digimon xros wars too? i love that series, i loved the crossover at the end
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comic321 Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah, but I like the english dub. I always enjoy dubs. Digi-Fuse!
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UltranX2010 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
i do too but you gotta admit we could do without some of the comical non-dark stuff in the dubs xD
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comic321 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Hm...not really. I have no complaints with it whatsoever.
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UltranX2010 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
me either but some people do ^_^ i actually love the dbz dub though 
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UltranX2010 Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
i agree with everything you said, you and me think exactly the same xD(i mean everything you said, what you like in sonic, EVERYTHING, werehog included). yeah this fanbase is crazy, so is the naruto fanbase
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comic321 Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Thanks. Oh, don't even get me started on the digimon fanbase!
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UltranX2010 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
digimon fanbase yup, and the pokemon fans' hate for digimon when digimon is not a ripoff at all.
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comic321 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
thankfully, there are fans of both
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UltranX2010 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
yup, me included , i love both, and the mega pokemon digivolution parodies crack me up xD
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Psyco-The-Frog Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2014
I see a lot of people saying this. It's so easy to constantly say "There's no pleasing this fanbase" when it's common knowledge that it's too mixed to please as a whole, not to mention a good amount of fans don't even really like Sonic, just claim to be fans then go trolling anybody who likes what they don't like, and so on and so forth. Lost World's story was still bogged down by bad writing, it just has things in it to be interested in, but just not built upon in the story. I recommend watching a series on youtube on here on DA called "Sonic Dissected", or specifically, "Lost World Dissected".
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