Now with that out of the way, let's look at some of the arguments they make, and my answers to them, shall we.
-Sonic games shouldn't be dark or take themselves to seriously
How's that Paper Mario? And the ending of Zelda Wind Waker?
-Sonic is for kids
Sonic Colors was for kids, and before then, every Sonic game was rated E for everyone, not specifically kids.
(Side Note: You can bet this guy would flip if someone told him Nintendo games are kiddy, and/or refute this argument by picking out the darkest or most serious parts of Nintendo games, while still complaining about Sonic)
(Side note2: One would have to ask themselves why would someone feel so strongly about a game being aimed for kids)
-Sonic should have simple storylines
Mario Galaxy(actually very popular among nintendo fans)
-Sonic has too many characters
Mario had more characters since his second game then Sonic did in his 3rd.
-Sonic should be cartoony like the classics
Earthworm Jim was a lot more cartoony
-Sonic should be like Mario
You mean the guy he was suppose to compete with, and the same guy who got copied by other franchise, resulted in them not selling?(See Lost World)
-Sonic shouldn't fight giant monsters of the week
Hasn't Kirby do the same thing?
-Sonic should be how he was in the classics
You mean being cool and appealing
-This isn't the 90's anymore, what was cool then isn't cool now.
And you Sonic to be like the classics, for what reason again?
(Side note: Nintendo fans have a habit of bashing M rated games for being too dark, serious, and other mature content, things we consider cool in games today if done right, and a good many titles are flat out ignored that aren't heavy on mature content. With Sonic being a character made in the image of what cool is, or was in the 90's, and having some of these contents in 3D games, you can easily see why people complained about these games.)
(Side note2: Nintendo fans seem to be the main group of gamers who both have a nasty hatred of mature content, ignoring other title that aren't heavy on it, but also hold light hearted, cartoony, all around considered kiddy content by many, in a very high regard)
For more incentive, just check out how this all started and notice the negative reception past 3D games got for being cool:
"When SEGA released this promotional image for Shadow the Hedgehog(him with his pistol), the fanbase finally crumbled. Sonic had done something that would forever doom him in the eyes of the fandom: he jumped the shark.
Sonic was now “trying too hard to be cool”. From this point onward, the fandom seemed to apply a zero tolerance rule. Everything the Sonic series did would be put under a microscope and scrutinized to see if it’s “trying too hard to be cool”. However, we’re talking about Sonic here, the embodiment of “cool” and a “Poochie” from day one. Everything he has ever done could easily be labeled as “trying too hard to be cool”.
Suddenly, things we were fine with only a few years ago were “going too far”. The storyline which set Sonic Adventure apart from all other platformers and gave it a unique cinematic flair? Now it’s too much and is “getting in the way”. The side characters who helped provide a colorful and varied cast and fleshed out Sonic’s world? Now they’re stealing the spotlight and “ruining” the game. The unique real world-based setting? Now it’s terrible because it’s not what we grew up with. Even Sonic’s exceptional redesign was considered going “too far”.
It seemed to seep backwards as well. Things Sonic had been doing since the Genesis era were too “extreme” as well. When Sonic Riders was released, many reviewers spent an entire page complaining about Sonic being on a hoverboard when Sonic has been boarding since Sonic 3!"
Pretty much what I've seen from a lot of people who call themselves Sonic fans: www.urbandictionary.com/define…
What makes it all even worse is that Sega made Sonic Lost World for these people, the very same ones who bitched over many of the 3D Sonic games till Colors, and look how great it's selling: www.tssznews.com/2013/11/28/lo…
Sufice to say, many of the most vocal Sonic fans have been Nintendo fanboys, it all easily links to them, seeing as I said before, having a hatred for anything cool or ignoring it, as I've notice their won titles that could be cool or at least balanced, like Starfox and F-Zero GX, 2 games that even Nintendo themselves ignore.
Tha fuck? They want Sonic just jump (no spin jump) and squeeze Badniks, and hit through below of flying computers on the thin air and fight Robotniks who jump and spit firebolts and save someone else?
And when it happen, they will say "Sonic is shit because it's ripping-off Mario!!!"
One of the worst scenario I can imagine, yet still LMAO for myself.
Just cause sonic is for kids doesn't mean i want a mario clone
Aside from that, this rant is pretty spot on.
2) i'm a sega and playstation fan but i can clearly say FUCK THIS ARTICLE
hell you say that the game looks di ke a mario rip off so you jump on conclusions withot even play the game: it's fanboys like you that ruin not only the fanbase but the franchise i general.
FUCK OFF KID YOUR OPINION IS WRONG
Oh lord, now I know you have no idea what you're talking about. The music is awesome? Yeah, if you're a toddler playing Nintendo games all the time. The story doesn't count? I mean really? Sorry but you can't call anyone else a retard fanboy with an ignorant statement like that.
Oh, and FYI, Izuka himself said he wanted Mario fans to like Lost World, and the game does look like a Mario game, and you're fucking blind or in denial if you say otherwise.
" it's fanboys like you that ruin not only the fanbase but the franchise i general."
Yes, I ruin the franchise by calling out the bad selling and unpopular games for the wrecks they are, but it's the grown ass people like you who go around suggesting Sonic should be kiddy in order to be good. XD
"FUCK OFF KID YOUR OPINION IS WRONG"
Well someone's butthurt. Sorry kid, not everybody wants Sonic games to be made for kids, including kids. Step off loser.
Going back to the stories, is it me, or with the replacement of the VAs they also replaced the writers? Because Sonic himself has massively devolved as a character. I don't know about everyone else, but I don't find his characterization of a complete cocky jerk very appealing or "cool". Sure, he was still arrogant in the games like SA2, Heroes, Unleashed or Black Knight, but he also eventually developed a soft side, something that I found endearing. Also, I find the humor in the newer games to fall rather flat, and I don't get why some many people think that Sonic's line in Colors of "Baldy Mc-Nosehair" so funny.
Of course, you could easily just look at the archie comics, as Ian Flynn has consistently been doing a a much better job then the games since he started. No matter what problem people have with him, his still treats the series with more respect then Sega does now, and that alone garners more respect out of.
I can understand your sentiments, as many other also can, and it goes both ways as well, as I can give ligitament reason why I don't like Colors, Generations, and Lost World, and people start to flip.
However, after reading all that, don't you feel that it's odd for Nintendo fans to come into the Sonic series and tell us how it should be, and what games are good and aren't good, depending on their reasoning which comes from biased hate towards what got people into this franchise, or kept those who already stayed? How in the world are you a Sonic game yet hate or ignore almost every game from Sonic 3 to Colors?
to play it at the time but also because of all the glitches. I bet it wod have been a great game if Sega hadn't rushed it. At least a few good things game out of it: Silver, Mephiles, Iblis, the zones, & the music.
Unleashed was cool but people started complaing about the werehog. I freakin loved the werehog!
Then they complained how Colors was too short.
Then how Generations had no story.
Now Lost World's controls slightly suck! The game was longer & had a decent story! WE GOT TO SEE THINGS WE MAY NEVER SEE AGAIN FOR CRYING OUT LOUD(Tails being roboticized, Sonic & Tails fighting, Eggman saving sonic, stereotypical villains that were actually interesting!)! Theres just no pleasing this fanbase.